Tin Winby [email protected]
per default setting. Other SWs will also use the Geocentric latitude by choosing the Geocentric option or Geocentric Correction option.
7. Nowadays there is a tendency of preferring Geocentric latitude of a place of birth other than Geographic latitude. So the Geocentric latitude option or Geocentric correction is incorporated in many SWs like KPAstro 3.0, Astraura, Jyotishya Deepika, Astracadabra, Solar Fire etc.
Which One, Geographic or Geocentric is Preferable 8. The preference for Geocentric latitude is as follows:
(a) The preference by some KP followers as mentioned in the point 4;
(b) Charles A Jayne preferred the Geocentric latitude which is 11’less (for 40N05) so that he had used 39N54 in Locality Astrology;
(c) A table of minutes for Geocentric correction is provided in the AFA Tables of Houses, Placidus System, American Federation of Astrologers;
(d) Making correct prediction using the Shri Raichur’s SW which applies the Geocentric latitude all the time.
9. The preference for Geographic latitude is as given under:
(a) Robert Hand had shown in Geocentric Latitude: Some Second Thoughts (Essays on Astrology) that the preference for geocentric latitude was evidently due to an unfortunate accident in terminology and the use of geographic latitude gave more accurate results;
(b) Geoffrey Dean, in Recent Advances in Natal Astrology, found the Topocentric system reason ably effective when he studied it;
(c) Preference for Geocentric in the Western literature is found mainly for planetary positions, for instance Llewellyn George is for Geocentric for the planetary positions, not for the Geocentric latitude as mentioned in the Astrosecrets & KP, Part II;
(d) The way of measuring the Geographic latitude seems in line what is required for the calculation of house cusps and the Geocentric latitude may not fulfill this condition;
(e) If one is tracking objects that are orbiting the Earth in space, then one will probably prefer to use the geocentric coordinate system rather than the geographical one but not for tracking a location of birth on the surface of Earth;
(f) One may also argue that since Earth is not a perfect sphere, the Geographic latitude is supposed to represent the place of birth more accurately compared to a Geocentric representation;
(g) Commonly applied from Guruji Sri K.S. Krishnamurti’s time till now, as correctly mentioned by Kousalya Sattainathan that Guruji used Geographic latitude only, in KP Astrology & Prime Min isters.cation & KP’s Nirayana Horary Tables for 2003, for Delhi, Kolkata & Mumbai.
Conclusion
10. The maximum difference between Geocentric and Geographic latitudes is only about 11 minutes, not so much like in the case of Ayanamsa that it may not change the sub-lords and results of KP analysis, except in the border line case. I use and prefer the Geographic latitude as it is commonly used and well tested but I keep my mind open to experiment with the application of Geocentric latitude correction. By choosing the Geocentric option or Geocentric Correction option, the SW will give the results for the Geocentric latitude of birth place. It is necessary to mention Geocentric latitude, if it is used to avoid confusion, otherwise it is understood that Geographic latitude is used.
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MAY 2008 KP-Ezine 41
MAY 2008 KP-Ezine 42 Regarding the above mentioned article, the first point is to express that a harsh language used by the author in this article is unacceptable although a healthy criticism is always welcome. The second point is to provide the references that the method which is targeted in this article as gross mal-practice is advocated by none other than our beloved Guruji Prof. K.S. Krishnamurti.
In my understanding, the correction of sublord of any particular house has been advocated by Gu-ruji Krishnamurti Ji himself in his magazine Astrology & Athrishtra in September 1967 issue on page 12 under the title “NO MORE DOUBTS” as given under:
“But, I have repeatedly told you all, that for any single question, take the moment when you take that question for judgment, note down the Lords of lagna, star, rasi and day. They are the ruling planets at that moment. Take the first query if there are many, that his, if one wants to know the ascendant, 5th and so on, take ascendant. If one wants to fix up the seventh, 11th and so on take seventh. If one wants to know eight and six take 8th cusp. If one wants to know 11th, seven and five take 11th cusp that is the first one mentioned by the querist. Then this cusp falls in a sign and in a star. Note the Lords of the sign and star. They must be in the list of the ruling planets.
Then note down the remaining ones. Either of the two should be the sublord you take the pri-ority list: first lagna Lord: next nakshatra Lord: third rasilord and fourth day Lord. If day lord and rasilord happen to be the Lord of the lagna and star of the person, then the sublord will be the Lord of the lagna and sub-sub Lord of the nakshatra, Constellation at the time of query. Thus you find the Lord of the sub. Invariably it comes correct.”
In the penultimate paragraph of the same article Guruji has concluded as follows:
“Thus, you fix the exact degree of lagna: if they wanted to know the position of lagna. If one wants to know the cusp of a house, proceed in the same manner and fix. “
Another reference is also found in the KP Third Reader on page 118 third paragraph as shown below:
“Note the sublord of the sixth cusp. This needs correct moment of birth. If it is not available then if you want to know the sub of the sixth, you take the ruling planets at the moment when you have the urge to put the query. Mysteriously God will help you by eliminating the previous and the next sub to the one which you have to select.”
Hence, the use of RPs for correcting the sub of any house has followed Guruji’s method and not de-viated from the KP principles which are the main concern for the author.
In order to get the correct sublord for the required cusp, in my opinion the birth time correction needs to be carried out and further analysis is to be done with the corrected birth chart.
Another view is not to undertake the birth time rectification, in other words not to recast the horoscope again, in such cases and to correct only the required sublord because when one judges the other matter of the same native then again one will confirm the related cuspal sublord.
Views in response to the article
“Whimsical Changing of the Sublords – a gross malpractice by some KP Practitioners”
published in KPE-Zine April Issue Rajendra Nimje, IASby
Director Technical Education,Govt. of Andhra Pradesh 102, Syam Sadan,Street No.6, Domalguda,
Hyderabad -500029 Email: [email protected]
Finally I would like to mention that Guruji has used the RPs for various purposes and not in a re-strictive manner. The ruling planets usage is the master key to the KP and Guruji has also used it even for conformation of the past events (A&A Dec. 1968 P.31- Horoscopy..). There are very di-vergent views on the RP usage among KP followers.
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MAY 2008 KP-Ezine 44
Title Issue Month / Page #
Analysis of Mars Dosha in KP Aug-16
Are Exam dates authentic? Apr-19
Arrest of FP minister of Pakistan Nov-29
Ascertaining the correctness of Birth Time Dec-31
Ask your question to A.R. Raichur Dec-57
Astrology and Education in KP method Aug-23
Ayanamsa Feb-35
Ayanamsa Jun-6
Balarishta yoga Part 1 Aug-8
Balarishta yoga Part 2 Oct-11
Beneficial or not? Feb-20
Bhava 1 Mar-24
Bhava 2 Mar-24
Bhava 3 Mar-24
Bhava 4 Mar-25
Bhava 5 Mar-26
Bhava 6 Mar-26
Bhava 7 Apr-12
Bhava 8 Apr-12
Bhava 9 Apr-13
Bhava 10 Apr-14
Bhava 11 Apr-14
Bhava 12 Apr-15
Birth Time rectification Dec-31
Birth time rectification – Osama Bin Laden Aug-27
Can I dig a tubular well on my land? Oct-39
Can we depend on our software-based predictions? Aug-14
Cannot avoid ceaserian Jul-28
Career and profession Apr-41
Casting a horary chart Feb-19
Child sex Jul-8
Childbirth rule Jul-7
Choice of Gems by KP Sep-6
CKV method Jul-9
Competitions Mar-20
Cuspal Interlinks Mar-15
Cuspal Interlinks Nov-23
Delay in marriage Jul-4
Denial of childbirth Jul-23
Denial of education Apr-17
Details of retro planets 2007 Feb-4
Diamond ring lost and found Aug-31
Disposal of house when? Feb-11