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Reposted from a reply to CPowles on mASF today. These are my thoughts after 2 months of clubbing, and NOT concrete. These are just my thoughts at THIS time, and I'd like to have feedback on them, because it may reflect either IMPROVEMENTS or, more likely, PROBLEMS in my game.

This has been what's been getting me hookups consistently from clubs, for the last 6 weeks.

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On 2/3/03 9:19:00 AM, Commander Zap wrote:

>You kiss her for a while in the club,

>get deep rapport and well beyond it,

>talk about what you'll do together, what

>she likes to do, she's in a DDB trance

>for a prolonged period. Then you can

>leave the club and she'll be yours

>later.

YES, Zap you obviously have it DOWN.. This is the ONLY way that I can think of where the kiss is still OK. This way could WORK.

Alright, here it is:

This is after TWO MONTHS clubbing experience, and NO MORE. My word on this is NOT FIELD TESTED enough to draw CONCRETE conclusions. These are just my impressions at THIS TIME, and may CHANGE.

OK, here's where I got this from:

My club game was originally so weak, it was sub-AFC no doubt.

Then, as I improved, I'd start kiss-closing more regularly. Now in my mind, I thought "a kiss close is GUARANTEED non-flake, because the chick has to JUSTIFY having kissed you".. This was my strong belief, because in STREET SARGING, when you kiss a chick within 20 minutes, she FALLS IN LOVE WITH YOU.

What happened next, though, was that I got a bunch of FLAKES. I couldn't BELIEVE IT. I'd never been clubbing before, but I just couldn't believe that chicks would actually FLAKE on a guy who they had such good chemistry with as to make out with in under 20 minutes. I was like "WTF IS THIS SHIT??? THESE CHICKS ARE USING ME!!"

If anyone recalls the fuckup report from Montreal, where the chick keeps kissing me and groping me, but won't let me close - THAT was when I first started having THESE THOUGHTS. It was Wall_Street reply to me in that post, that CHANGED MY GAME so much. After Wall_Street's reply, my strategy CHANGED, to NO KISS CLOSE.

The idea is this:

-chicks LOVE foreplay

-many chicks LOVE making out with different guys, EVERY WEEKEND

I realized this when chatting one of my pivots. I was talking about how I kiss-closed these chicks using all this STRATEGY, and she LAUGHED AT ME.

She was like "hahha.. if you wanna make out with a chick, just go up and make out.. kissing a club chick is nothing to brag about.. as if you used all this STRATEGY.. I make out with different guys EVERY WEEKEND.. you know what?? so does x-girl, y-girl, z-girl (ALL who I thought were INNOCENT).. you think you're so smart, but I bet these girls won't talk to you the next day.. they GOT what they WANTED.. the ONLY guys who I'll hookup with down the line if I met them in a club, are the ones who I had a REAL connection with, and didn't just grope eachother like animals the whole night.. if I kiss a guy I know its just a club-thing"

I was like "WTF is this shit??????"

Of course, listening to a chick is usually NOT GOOD.. But in this particular case, what she said CONFORMED to the model of what I'd EXPERIENCED. It all made perfect sense to me, so I thought I'd FIELD TEST a non-kissclose club game.

So from THEN ON, I used the "HANDS OFF THE MERCHANDISE" line, and REFUSED all kiss-closes. I focused on FIRST building attraction, and SECOND building rapport.

I started getting girls CHASING me, and wondering "WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY WHO WON'T LET ME TOUCH OR KISS HIM???"

They'd chase and chase, and try to # close *ME*. I was like "HOLY SHIT, I had a chick # close

**ME**.. WTF is going on here??? I didn't think this was POSSIBLE.."

And ALL of them wouldn't flake. They'd LOVE me, and show up ON TIME, and all that shit.

The only FLAW with this, is that you PASS on MANY one-night-stand opportunities. Since Twentysix nor I are INTERESTED in one night stand with club hoes, this method works PERFECT. Twentysix has YET to kiss-close in a club (other than the kiss-game which is not the same), and he gets dates ALL THE TIME, with remarkably LOW flake-ratio.

My THEORY (as it is NOT field tested enough, and still just a THEORY), is that when you kiss-close, you SLOT yourself into the S-U-B-C-A-T-E-G-O-R-Y of guys that the chick USES as kissy-face-buddies every weekend.

My THEORY is that kissing in a CLUB, is NOT ALPHA, because SO MANY Beta-males are CAPABLE of it, and do it REGULARLY. My THEORY is that it is MORE ALPHA to make her WANT YOU SO BAD (as well as all the chicks AROUND her), and then tell her that she can't have you unless its during the DAYTIME, since you aren't interested in LITTLE FROLLICKY CLUB HOES. This could come across like you're banging too many chicks ALREADY, or that you have STANDARDS, or WHATEVER. I dunno, its still a THEORY.

The ONLY way, is the way that COMMANDER ZAP suggested, which is to get DEEP RAPPORT and go BEYOND IT. For me, when I kiss-close now, I go into DAMAGE CONTROL. ALL I am thinking is how to FRAME this as NOT just a club-thing, and that it DOES deserve to be CONTINUED. I talk about how I don't want to meet, and get her to convince me. Then I talk about how maybe she IS right, and we shouldn't let SOCIAL RESTRICTIONS dictate that a club hookup isn't a REAL connection, just because people STEREOTYPE it like that.

Again, NOT THOROUGHLY FIELD TESTED YET. Probably more field tested than 90% of what goes around the board, but STILL not field tested enough.

I'd like guys to THINK about it and to give me your THOUGHTS, but not to take it seriously just yet. It needs more testing by somebody with BETTER club game than mine.

Now for guys like Mystery and Style, this shit may not apply, because their game is SO TIGHT.

When a chick kisses them, its an INTENSE EXPERIENCE for them, because of the IMPRESSION they've set. The kiss is like the CLIMAX of the adventure that they've STRUCTURED.

But for for the intermediate level guys, it may be something to consider. All that I can report is that it WORKS for Twentysix and I.

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