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o k I w a s t a k i n g a l o o k o n f i r e q u e s t . c o m and I noticed a 12ga flare gun, it looks very plastic like but I'm wo ndering if it could hold the pressure of a real shotgun shell, also wonderin g how much of it is plastic...
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hell no! those things are flim sy as hell and flares put out wuss p ressure, that wou l d e x p l o d e i n y o u r h a n d I u s e d t o h a v e o n e a n d t h e t h i n g b r o k e o n m e, (after a couple of shots) yo u could theoreticly load a shell by cutting off the narrow tip of the flare g u n b u t a l l I ' d s h o o t i s a b l a n k a w e a k one at that. plus flares dont get that hot for that long so you'd be e n d a n g e r i n g y o u r g u n a s i t m i g h t m elt. plus how are you going to deal with the recoil?
if I was gonn a g e t a h a n d h e l d shotgun I'd get a revolver .410 like the one in three kings. I think it is called a thunder 5
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why not just fire flares. I bet you that shit would hurt plus you ca n get capsism ( O C ) r o u n d s f o r t h e m .
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I dont think a flare would hurt someon e that bad unless it hit them in the face, they are just little light card b o a r d b a l l s a n d they dont go that fast they'd probably bounce off of you. I'd con s i d e r b e a r b a n g e r s o r c a p s a c i s u m r o u n d s b u t I ' d g e t a h o m e m a d e w a d s h o o t i n g g un with a brass flare gun the wads travel around 400 fps witch is 100 fps faster than p a i n t b a l l g u n s a n d pepper spray can backfire majorly
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I was hit by a flare once from 5 0 - 6 0 m away, the only result was slight pain and a burn patch on m y jacket. ---
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Although I tend to ag ree with the others who have alrea dy poste d, you could saftly test fire the gun by going to a secluded spot strapping the fla regun to a tree with a string attached to the trigger and get bethind a DIFFERENT tree and pull. I doubt that that would accom plish m ore than a wasted flare gun but know you know.
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what about replacing the barrel? w o u l d i t b e a b l e t o s t a n d o n e o f N B K ' s s h o t g u n g r e n a d e s ? [ T h i s m e s s a g e h a s b e e n e d i t e d b y D a R k D w A r F ( e d i t e d A p r i l 2 4 , 2 0 0 1 ) . ] EP Freq u e n t P o s t e r P o s t s : 1 0 8 From : U SA R e g i s t e r e d : A P R 2 0 0 1 p o s t e d 0 4 - 2 7 - 2 0 0 1 0 1 : 1 2 A M ---
Yu can buy "bird bom bs" specially m ade for 12 gauge flare guns that are for scaring birds. They are basically an m 80 that s h o o t s f r o m a flare gun. Im sure a flare gun would blow apart with a real shell.
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I checked with firequest a while back--the frame and breech face are steel, the barrel is plastic.
www.guns2u.com s e l l s a n a l l - s t e e l 1 2 g a f l a r e g u n a s a s e l f - d e f e n s e p i s t o l . I f y o u can get one of those thru a friend in Europe, m ore power to you.
T h e r e ' s a d u d e i n F L s e l l i n g a . 4 1 0 a d a p t e r f o r 2 5 m m flare guns, price is about USD$120.
P M J B v o l 2 h a s a q u i c k i e a b o u t m a k i n g a m ini .22 pistol using a 25m m f l a r e g u n , a n d a c o u p l e o f a d a p t e r s . I h a v e s e e n s u c h a device tested. My own inclination is to use one of the sturdier steel flare guns from Russia, and adapters to fire 9m m P a r a or .45 ACP. Testing is scheduled for July this year.
A bloke with access to a m illing m achine could probably duplicate the plastic flare barrel in s t e e l , t h e n u s e h o t l o a d s . Ergo nomics will suck. Better to m a k e z i p g u n w i t h 3 / 4 " p i p e , l u m b e r .
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June 26th, 2003, 03:34 PM megalomania The_Coyote A new voice Posts: 18 From: Registered: DEC 2000 posted March 25, 2001 08:15 PM ---
Does anyone have plans for a homemade pistol to shoot .22 caliber amunition? Preferably .22 birdshot? I want to clear my feild of some rabbits, but there are some new homes in a development across the street and I find birdshot to be the most silent ammo.
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posted March 25, 2001 08:53 PM
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the most silent ammo you can get is subsonic, download angelo's files, I think there is a 4 winds shotgun in there, just make a sleeve for the 22 bullet or a small 4 winds shotgun , beware zip guns arent the safest things in the world to hold in your hands
Crux Frequent Poster Posts: 71 From: australia Registered: SEP 2000 posted March 25, 2001 09:12 PM ---
If the "Birdshots" are the one's i'm thinking of you will have a hard time killing a rabbit with them.
we had some and I was trying to shoot some crows with them. I must have been only 10m away and it wouldn't kill them..
BaDSeeD Frequent Poster Posts: 80 From: buffalo, ny Registered: SEP 2000 posted March 26, 2001 12:03 AM --- 22 bird shot sucks period.
They use such small shot, that they have no power beyond about 10 feet!
At about 15 feet... they wont even puncture an empty soda can. The only use i have seen for them... is for against snakes. From the range of your hand.. to your feet (keeping in mind not to shoot your feet) they do a lot of damage. Thats about all they are good for. If you are mowing the lawn, or fishing, hiking, etc.. they are good for snakes.
Any other uses however.... forget it.
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burugle A new voice Posts: 2 From: oslo,norway Registered: FEB 2001 posted March 26, 2001 03:36 AM ---
Don't use the .22 birdshot... It won't penetrate unless you get really close. If possible use a silenced .22 rifle, if not ordineary .22 ammo don't make mutch noice, so noone will take any notice. Or you could try setting some snares. Works great on rabbits, rodents, neighbours cats ect.
-Good Luck! BoB- Frequent Poster Posts: 657 From: Registered: SEP 2000 posted March 26, 2001 11:28 AM --- Yes, if you dont have any kids, I would recomend some non-explosive traps But hey, shooting them is more fun, theres a few active topics about silencers. just...remember where your traps are
richl261 Frequent Poster Posts: 134 From: uk Registered: MAR 2001 posted March 26, 2001 12:03 PM ---
why not buy a .22 pistol? unless ure in england where every thing is illegal just buy an air gun to kill the rabbbits..
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I can not buy them. I live in ontario where you can't get anything. Also I am 16 so I can not get one until I am 18. Also where I live no stores will sell them with out a shit load of paper work... I don't know why though. It's a pellet gun for christ's sake!!!! And a .22 I can not get anywhere with all the licensing you have to go through, and you also need to be 18. I might try my recurve or crossbow on them, but I can't aim worth shit.
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Agent Blak Frequent Poster Posts: 770 From: Sk. Canada Registered: SEP 2000 posted March 26, 2001 10:20 PM ---
If you live in Canada the is a store called Canadian Tire they sell so not bad stuff you only have to be 18(get you buddy or brother).
SMAG 12B/E5 Frequent Poster Posts: 61 From: Registered: FEB 2001 posted March 26, 2001 11:26 PM ---
If you end up improvising, and don't need a long barrel, check out the automotive shop scrap bins. There are some "push rods" used in some V-8 (Chrysler???) that are 22 cal in ID. Use caution.
c0deblue Frequent Poster Posts: 229 From: Registered: JAN 2001 posted March 27, 2001 12:57 AM ---
The push rods could be a good solution, provided they'll chamber a .22 cartridge. They're hardened, so the ball ends will have to be ground (not sawed) off. The interiors often are encrusted with engine residues that can be quite tough to remove - try to find the cleanest ones and insure the bores are smooth before firing live rounds.
The strength should be more than okay. We used to use sections of auto antenna (brass and about .25 internal), and a .22 LR fit so loosely it had to be held in with scotch tape. When these "weapons" were fired the shell case would expand to the larger diameter so tightly it would have to be hammered out using a ramrod. Accuracy was of course nonexistent, but I never heard of any blowing up when properly constructed.
Very simple (disposable) guns can be made by taping the barrel(s) to a piece of wood and using a door "slidebolt" for the firing mechanism. A few heavy duty rubber bands provide the "spring", and the bolt is drawn back and "cocked" in the slide notch. Just push the handle up out of the notch to fire. Multiple barrels are possible using this method, provided they're aligned so the bolt hits a portion of all (firing is simultaneous). Not fancy, but effective and cheap.
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you could buy a bang stick, I dont think they need a licence, then you solder a metal tube to the back of the part that screws onto the bullet, then to fire you slam hard on the handle going through the tube withck you are holding. you might need to make a support for this though and they are wildly in accuarate
NightStalker Frequent Poster Posts: 116 From: Registered: DEC 2000 posted March 27, 2001 03:35 PM --- I have a quite nice improvised .22 gun.
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H e r e ' s s o m e d r a w i n g s f r o m W i l l , o n e o f our resident lurkers. They m ay be factory diagram s and include the Germ a n P P S H 4 1 s u b m a c h i n e g u n a n d t h e T h o m s o n s u b m a c h i n e g u n .
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Plaza /2978/ T h a n k s W i l l
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T h e P P S H 4 1 i s a c t u a l l y R u s s i a n . T h e s e a r e g o o d plans, but I wish they were in .pdf form at. How hard do you think it would be to m ake the receiver for this thing? Maybe I should stick with guns that have sim ple receivers, like the Sten.
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July 16th, 2003, 10:41 AM A-BOMB
Well Its been awhile since I've posted anything about the guns I make, and this gun is going to be a good one so heres some specifics about it. I'm still waiting for some of the parts. Well I'm going to buy the barrel/s from HERE (http://www .e-gunparts.com/featureproduct.asp?chrProductSKU=878300&Super=N&MC=YJ) Numrich has more gun parts than God. And if you ask why about the rusty barrels it because I'm cheap and 5 for $19 you cant beat that.
And I'll be buying the metal tubes for the receiver/barrel block/bolt from here ww w.onlinemetals.com. I'll post my diagram in a minute right now I have to get some stuff out of the drier before it rinkes.
July 16th, 2003, 12:44 PM knowledgehungry
Very nice site, thanks for posting it. What type of action is your gun going to be? bolt action? semi auto? full auto:D ? Sorry but im not familiar with AR7's.
July 16th, 2003, 01:57 PM A-BOMB
Its going to be a semi-auto in .22lr caliber but its to hard to explain right now I need to scan in my diagrams I'll get around to posting them later, it depents if I can finish this damn VB course work.
Here is a picture of the parts I have currently aquired they are ontop of some of my schematics for the gun I'll scan them or take pictures of them soon.
HERE (ftp://ewf:[email protected]/Hosted%20Images/A-BOMB/Pcdv00054.JPG)
July 16th, 2003, 07:00 PM zaibatsu
Is it going to be blowback? Open or closed bolt? Are you making it so that you can dissemble/stow it aw ay in the stock like the AR7? AR7s look like fun rifles, I think you can also buy them over here.
July 16th, 2003, 10:17 PM A-BOMB
Its going to be a closed bolt, blow back, semi-auto, Its going to be AR-7 like but will not be able to be disassabled its going to have a strong center pin on which the action and barrel will fold on like a door hinge. I pull out the bolt that hold it in place and fold it back into a slot cut in the stock. I'm thinking of useing a mak-90 or AK thumb hole stock because there big and look cool and real cheap like $16. And ya I could buy a AR-7 at a gun show or from there website but they offen have big problems, metal shaving left in the chamber, bent parts, screw holes stripped, massive feed problems. I'm not saying that mine wont have these at first but in mine I'll have know I've built it myself, and it I'll be cheaper too.
July 18th, 2003, 03:31 AM Charlie Workman
Sounds cool A-bomb. Love to see it when you're done. Personally, I hate the AR-7. Owned both the pistol and rifle versions and neither were reliable for shit. Most people I talked to really like them, so maybe I got the bad ones. Had a manual on full-auto conversion for it, which I always thought was a giggle, since I could never get them to fire more than two rounds on semi before they jammed.
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August 4th, 2003, 10:02 PM A-BOMB
I just ordered the barrel, stock, receiver tube, bolt metal, springs, and other part that I didn't have. Since the barrels I w as going to order is out of stock I have to order this one HERE (http://www .e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU= 586860). But the rest of the parts w ere in. Here is the metals I am going to use the .75"(ID) tube if for the rifle and the .875"(ID) is for the SMG version which will need a heavier bolt to contain the recoil of the shorter length bolt that is needed in the SMG version. The SMG version is going to be P-90'ish that it is going to be a bullpup unit w ith the mag over the barrel. Its even going to have bullets that are similar, .125" TI rod in a 5.45mm semi- dicarding teflon sabot.
I should have the parts by Saturday or Sunday Monday the latest. But first I have to find a .375"(3/8") metal drill and get a new belt for my drill press.
https://ww w.onlinemetals.com/check_order_status.cfm?id=49500&step= 2
August 6th, 2003, 11:49 PM A-BOMB
Well I got the barrel and stock to day, and all I can say about the barrel is I HATE cosloimine grease it is the anti-christ lord of no come-offyness and stickyness it doesn't want to come off! I used a couple of quarts of kerosen taking that shit off. And the stock has some dinks and nicks, and I'm happy with the files I got too, thought I did forget some things one the order, I'll get the sight rail/scope rings later.
Here is a pic of the blue print because my scanner just bit the dust (I cracked the glass plate) perminatly so heres a pic.
August 7th, 2003, 03:44 AM angelo
A-BOMB have you ever used shellite. Its more expensive than kerosene but it does the job alot better.
August 7th, 2003, 08:55 AM Arkangel
I've not found any lubricant that acetone w on't dissolve in a jiffy
August 7th, 2003, 08:59 AM A-BOMB
Angelo, do you think this 'Shellite' it avalible in the US? And if it were, where do you think I w ould be able to find it,?
Well I got $18 dollars left on my prepayed credit card to use up any ideas, I borrowed the drill bits I'll need and the locking pins and cutoff w heels for my dremel tool. Oh that reminds me I bought every thing w ith one of those new prepayed credit cards I got a CVS I think this thing is great you pay a $9 dollar one time fee and then can put any amount from 20 to 500 on it. To recharge you just buy a recharge card for $4 and then put more money on it. Though you do have to call in and give them information on were to send the card w ith you name/exp date/pin.
So anybody have any idea on what I could buy with it item+ shipping for $18 ?
August 8th, 2003, 05:28 AM GibboNet
Shellite is a spirit like metho, used for old style camping stoves. You'll find it at most camping / hardw are stores.
Also, w ould you mind explaining the pre-paid credit card ?
August 8th, 2003, 11:00 AM A-BOMB
Sure, I was a CVS( a chain drugstore over here in the US) picking up some candy and cold-packs, w hile I was at the counter getting rung up I saw the prepaid credit card. So I bought one it has a $9.95 activation fee then I could put as much money on it as I w anted($20-$500) so I bought it for $90 dollars gave the man at the counter his money and he activated the card and it temporary pin. I got home and opened up the papers that came with it I went to the website and read/accepted the end user aggrement. Entered in my information address,phone,birthday etc etc etc. Then I called the number on the form, gave them the info again and then they gave me the new real pin number, exp date, and security number and then they asked me if I wanted to upgrade etc etc etc and other shit, then said I'd get the real card w ith the data on it in 7 to 10 days and that I could use that temporary card online till the real card comes, that will allow me to use it in a real store(the temp card has a one time use magnetic strip).
It w as a bit of a hassle but hell its easies than sending a check, to recharge the card you just buy a recharge card for $4 and then add more money to the account, and there is a $4 monthly service charge but aleast I'm not paying intrest anymore+ the monthly charge so I works for me for how little I use it.
check out www .mymccard.com to see more
August 9th, 2003, 06:02 AM angelo
Well I know shell produces it. I do believe its proper name is x-55 petroleum spirit. But I'd have to check for you. We recently bought a 200 litre drum of it at work.
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I don't think acetone would be very safe. Sure it will dissolve anything, but that includes your hands. Be careful Arkangel.
August 12th, 2003, 11:30 PM A-BOMB
The metal tube for the reciever was suppost to come today but the the UPS guy got lost and called me for directions, he said that me address must not exist because he could not find it. Then he reads me the address and its the right address and I tell him its right, and he said I was wrong about that. Then I tell him if my address doesn't exist then how am I on the phone w ith you from it now. Then he asks me for directions, so he can deliver it the next day because his shift is over. :mad: I'm thinking of killing him and taking his truck tommarrow , I wonder how much goodies would be inside?
August 13th, 2003, 04:25 AM chemwarrior
Hehe, A-Bomb.. killing him might be a little extreme... but tying him up and leaving him in the w oods...
Also, I have one of those pre-paid credit cards too.. They work w onders when your under 18:)
August 13th, 2003, 03:54 PM A-BOMB
The metal Tubes just came! Let the production begin! But there is one thing wrong with my order when I talked to the guy from the store I he told me the tube would be seamless, well its welded seam tube I will just take me some time to grind it out with a file. I should be able to start it this evening right now I got to sleep, I've been up for the