La aplicación de las disposiciones interpretativas

III. RÉGIMEN JURÍDICO APLICABLE A LOS GASTOS SUBVENCIONABLES

III.5. La integración del régimen de los gastos subvencionables con la aplicación de otras disciplinas jurídicas

III.5.5. La aplicación de las disposiciones interpretativas

Igor: Let’s start over here with Russ. Do you want to grab this and just stand up if possible; otherwise, if you’re going to sit we can catch you that way too.

It’s already on. How are you doing, Russ?

Russ: I’m doing great.

Igor: Great. Can you all hear him okay? You may want to stand sideways a little bit so then they can see you a little bit too and I can see you a little bit. It just makes it more personal, plus you may spot things in terms of how Russ’s stance is, but you can direct your attention here in terms of what we’re doing. Okay? It just means that it’s a little bit more engaging. There you go.

Tell me, Russ, what’s going on? I mean I have no idea apart from carrying out a brief two-minute conversation with you before we began. I have no idea what’s going on with any of these people, so I need to have normal conversation like I’d have with any other client to find out what’s happening.

What’s happening?

Russ: Okay, thanks Igor. For six months or so I have had trouble getting my leg out of the car and back into the car, and I have a doctor who’s actually my friend and he finally said it’s got to be a slow healing or an injury just like the Cowboy’s defensive back has and it will not heal.

I have a lower back injury that comes and it’s chronic. It’s not bothering me right today but I was almost crushed in an accident when I was a laborer actually. Also in my upper back, back to 1958 I remember when that started. It comes and it goes.

Then as we started, I hadn’t thought about this but I approached you with a question. When I’m in the courtroom where I am quite a bit, and even

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Hypnotic Pain Control ©Street Hypnosis All Rights Reserved here I worry about my bladder because it’s possibly just age but that would be something that I would want to see whether that could be improved.

Igor: Sure.

Russ: That’s my aches and pains.

Igor: Let’s take the idea of the bladder to one side because that’s really not germane to what we’re doing here. We can absolutely work with it but that’s not the main purpose we’re here.

In terms of your experience right now, it’s the three main areas. You have sort of the leg/groin injury. You have something going on in the lower back and something up on your shoulder. Is that correct?

Russ: Right.

Igor: Very good. How do you experience this now? Are any of them uncomfortable right now? Are they okay? How are they going?

Russ: The groin thing manifests itself on the inside of my thighs, and last night even when I sleep, when I try to roll over I can even get a hip pain to where I think someone else would say gee, I might even think about a hip replacement. It’s not a whole lot of fun.

Igor: Can you experience it right now?

Russ: I can feel it here, but if I get up on the stage I’ll feel it.

Igor: What about in the lower back?

Russ: No, no problem there at the moment?

Igor: And your shoulders?

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Igor: Excellent! Very good. What is it you’d like to see, as a result, of all the work we’re doing today?

Russ: If I can get rid of the pain in my groin area and the hips that would be wonderful.

Igor: Excellent. Have a seat again for now. This is a kind of an introduction. One thing just as a general comment, just as aside I would definitely make to the client here is you realize that – actually you may as well keep this because I’m going to have a little quick chat with you as well.

You realize that the sensation you’re having in your leg, your groin area, it has a function, right? You’ve possibly injured yourself in some way and your body’s telling you that there are certain ways of moving that you don’t want to be doing, and we’re gauging it because it’s going to prevent your body from healing properly, right?

Russ: Right.

Igor: So it has a purpose. Therefore, removing it entirely or removing it without leaving something in its place to remind you of keeping yourself healthy, that’s not necessarily a good thing either, right?

Russ: So they say but I don’t really care about what the true medical problem is.

I’ll live with that.

Igor: Perfect. Now do you see – a lot of clients will have that because when they’re in pain, they just want it gone, right? That’s exactly why the pain is still there. That’s exactly why the pain is still there, and I understand why you’re saying that. I really do. I really understand why you’re saying that because it’s really not a nice thing to be walking around with that kind of sensation, right?

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Igor: It makes the smallest thing difficult, coming up stairs, sitting down for breakfast, going to be at night, getting up in the morning, going to the toilet in between, right? Every single action you have to be more cautious, more careful and slower. I can understand that it’s really an unpleasant way to be living your day-to-day life, right?

Russ: Right.

Igor: Which is why you’d rather have it just disappear.

Russ: That’s true.

Igor: So, aside from all the reasons you have for it to disappear, what are all the reasons for it not to?

Russ: The reasons for it not to? Oh, I’ve considered well, maybe I’ve got bone cancer or some such thing. I don’t think so, but if I do okay, so be it.

Igor: Your doctor’s already checked those things out, right? You’ve got a medical referral right here.

Russ: have a medical referral, right.

Igor: So would it be fair to say your doctor’s checked all the possibilities out?

Russ: He doesn’t think there’s any chance in the world that that’s it.

Igor: Right, so if I understood you correctly, the diagnosis from the doctor – not from me – was that the most likely thing is you strained a muscle and it requires time to heal. It’s just taking extra time to heal.

Russ: It’s his opinion that it’s a groin injury of some sort.

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heal will be slowed down or retarded or even prevent. Would that be fair?

Russ: That’s fair.

Igor: Here’s something for you to think about. Just consider this now. You can have anything you want in life provided you pay attention, and if you don’t pay attention you’ll pay with pain. It is a simple signal to remind you – to remind you to pay attention and to the extent that you haven’t, I am not surprised that you have.

Now I have a feeling that something’s already beginning to shift inside as you make that realization because to the extent that you pay attention and make a genuine commitment to yourself to pay attention, to take it a little easier for a while, will there be any reason left for that pain?

Russ: Less.

Igor: Much less, right?

Russ: Much less.

Igor: You can teach your body to move in slightly different ways that will accommodate the healing of that particular part of the body, right?

Russ: Right.

Igor: In doing so, aren’t you paying attention?

Russ: I’m paying attention in that way.

Igor: How is the groin doing now?

Russ: It’s not bothering me at the moment.

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Russ: It was sensitive.

Igor: It was sensitive. So you’re telling me it’s already changing?

Russ: I would say it might be changing. I think it’s changed.

Igor: So it’s already changing, but you don’t quite know how it’s changed, do you?

Russ: No.

Igor: There it is, right?

Russ: Right.

Igor: The only thing you do know is that you did one thing differently in the last five minutes that you weren’t doing before, right?

Russ: That’s right.

Igor: And what’s that?

Russ: Paying attention.

Igor: That’s right.

Russ: Focusing upon it so I can alleviate it.

Igor: That’s right. You’re learning to focus on yourself in a new way, in a very important way. In the past you were focusing on the sensation because you wanted to get rid of it, and your body increased the sensation because there’s no way it wanted you to ignore it, but now that you’re paying

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Russ: No need.

Igor: Now I realize from time to time the sensation may return. It may return as just a sensation or as a mild experience of pain, and you know why that would happen, don’t you?

Russ: Yes.

Igor: To get your attention, to remind you that what you’ve just engaged in is something you should probably not be doing for a little while, right?

Russ: Right.

Igor: So you’re maybe lying in bed at night, you feel like turning one way and suddenly you have a sensation. Nothing unpleasant but something that reminds you that you best keep lying the way you are, or maybe turning a different way and you know what I mean by that, don’t you?

Russ: I do.

Igor: As you’re thinking of all these things, check back in with your groin and notice how it feels different. How is that?

Russ: Feeling comfortable.

Igor: It’s feeling comfortable already. How do you do that?

Russ: By telling it I’m paying attention.

Igor: That’s right. That’s right and it feels good to pay attention, doesn’t it?

Russ: It feels good to have a different approach.

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Russ: I can see the insight.

Igor: And it’s not just the insight that’s important. It’s the experience that counts, isn’t it?

Russ: The experience.

Igor: I would like you to try a little experiment for me. Is that okay with you?

Russ: Sure.

Igor: What I’m going to ask you to do is I would like you to experiment with organizing your body in a way that you don’t normally do. Here’s what I mean by that. I’m going to ask you to get up in a moment’s time. However, I want you to experiment with getting up in a different way, paying attention to the sensations in your groin area so that you get up in as comfortable a way as possible.

If you begin to feel a sensation, change your approach. Does that make sense?

Russ: It makes sense.

Igor: It may take you a few minutes initially to work the approach out and I’ll happily coach you along with some ideas if you would want that. But, if it’s okay with you, right now I would like for you to start being curious about how your unconscious mind can show you other ways of moving your body so that you are paying attention in the right way again.

Is that okay with you?

Russ: That is fine.

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speed with which you were getting up there?

Russ: Yes.

Igor: So before being in a hurry, right now it’s an exploration stage. What I’d like you to do is just first of all get in touch with all the different parts of your body that you need to be aware of in order to move. For example, you have feet, don’t you?

Russ: Yes.

Igor: Now you can have your feet out in front of you and experiment with that.

Getting up that way might seem a bit trickier right now, right?

Russ: Right.

Igor: You can have your feet right underneath your chair. Something interesting happened there, didn’t it? That you can have your feet somewhere in between, so just shuffle your feet around until your groin feels the most comfortable, and let me know when you’re there, with the anticipation that you’ll be getting up at some point, of course.

Russ: Okay.

Igor: There you go. You have knees, do you not?

Russ: I do.

Igor: They could turn to the left – both of them – or they could turn to the right.

As you pay attention to slowly moving from the left and right repeatedly, ask yourself the question where would they be most comfortable if I was to put enough weight on them to be able to lift myself up? Where might you end up?

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Igor: I would agree. I can see it. Now of course your knees can’t lift your whole body. You need to shift your balance to allow the whole process to occur.

That involves moving your torso, doesn’t it?

Russ: Yes.

Igor: Now you can move your torso forwards and backwards. You can move it side to side. I’d like you to very gently go side to side and forwards and backwards whilst getting those knees into the position you had a moment ago until you find a place. Feel free to use your hand by the way as well as support – until you find a way where getting up is just a natural step forwards from where you’re already at.

Just do that now. Go ahead, just slowly. How was getting up like that?

Russ: That was better. Much better.

Igor: Much better than usual?

Russ: I concentrated on not putting pressure on that main area and I got up without the pain.

Igor: Exactly, so your body’s teaching you how to move to allow it to heal, isn’t it?

Russ: Yes.

Igor: And all you have to do is…

Russ: Pay attention.

Igor: Are you?

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Igor: That’s right. Now I realize initially it will require a little more effort because you’re moving things more slowly. You’re learning about yourself in a slightly different way, but then you have lots of signals that will remind you of that, right?

Russ: That’s right.

Igor: Is it okay? Will you spend maybe just a day exploring those different things?

Russ: I’d be glad to, sure.

Igor: In exchange for which you no longer need to have the painful sensations you used to. Would that be a fair trade?

Russ: A fair trade.

Igor: Feel good?

Russ: I feel good.

Igor: Congratulations.

Russ: Thank you.

Igor: Thank you, Russ.

Russ: Thanks, Igor.

Igor: Remember, slowly sit down in the same way. What are the principles involved here? Someone’s like oh my God, I have seen the second coming.

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I’d like to spend a few minutes. Go ahead, do you want to stand up and get a mic over here please? Assistance with mics. Just be ready on the sides please. Actually before you ask a question, I want to address one more thing with Russ first, if that’s okay. It’s something I would generally do in a session.

The experience you just had in terms of learning about your body mechanics and so on, you can increase that experience. I have a feeling that if you look into something called the Feldenkrais Method – I’ll write you a note on that later. It’s all over the U.S.

You will get a lot of benefit from that because what you just learned in paying attention to your movement, learning that moving differently helps your mind and your body adjust and be comfortable. You will do a lot more with that and I have a feeling that spending maybe a weekend or maybe a week doing that as a practice will be beneficial for all three levels.

All the places where you had an injury will be helped a lot by that. Does that make sense?

I’m not saying you have to do it. It would be a recommendation at this point because I think it would be useful to you, specifically given the nature of what we talked about. Does that help? Sure, come back to me during the break. I’ll write down the name there are some books you can read. There’s lot of courses all over the States that you can attend, and it’s a great way of learning to pay attention to your body so that signals are no longer necessary.

Discussion

Igor: Just stand up for me.

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approach you took because it always seemed to me that analgesia was the straight ahead approach, but that’s pretty effective.

Igor: Right and here’s the thing. We will be looking at how to get just straight anesthesia and analgesia just masking the pain shall we say, but why on Earth would I do that here? Remember our conversation at the beginning?

If I’m putting him more at risk, I would be doing him a disservice, right?

The irony is Russ would happily run along with me up until the point where his legs stopped working. Was that a good thing or a bad thing? Here’s the irony. Two possibilities here, the analgesia and anesthesia might have worked perfectly fantastic yeah I’m a hero, right?

But then the knock-on consequence is he carries on ignoring the injury, it gets worse and worse until he pays a heavier price, a greater pain over time, and that’s no good is it?

It’s very normal for people. People do this constantly. That’s why they’re suffering. On the flipside, if I had tried to use anesthesia, analgesia and his unconscious mind was catching up to hang on a second, I know what he’s trying to do right now, do you want to risk his unconscious mind that’s protecting him, that’s sending the signal in the first place saying no, I’m not playing ball on this one?

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